Legislature(2007 - 2008)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/29/2007 01:30 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
          SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                        
SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                               
                         March 29, 2007                                                                                         
                           1:38 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
 Senator Johnny Ellis, Chair                                                                                                    
 Senator Gary Stevens, Vice Chair                                                                                               
 Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Bettye Davis, Chair                                                                                                    
 Senator Joe Thomas, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
 Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                              
 Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                          
 Senator Con Bunde                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
 Senator John Cowdery                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Representative Andrea Doll                                                                                                      
Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview: Health Insurance in the Workplace                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to consider                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL EVANS, Chair                                                                                                               
Anchorage Chamber of Commerce                                                                                                   
Anchorage AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on  health  insurance   in  the                                                             
workplace.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DUANE HEYMAN, Executive Director                                                                                                
Commonwealth North Health Care Roundtable                                                                                       
Anchorage AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Commented  on  health  insurance   in  the                                                             
workplace.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JEFF RANF, Partner                                                                                                              
Wallace Insurance Incorporated                                                                                                  
No address provided                                                                                                             
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Presented  "Cost  of  Health  Care:  Alaska                                                             
Versus the Lower 48."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MARK FOSTER, Business Consultant                                                                                                
Institute for Social and Economic Research (ISER)                                                                               
No address provided                                                                                                             
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Presented   "Rising  Health   Care  Costs:                                                             
Implications for Alaskan Competitiveness."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
KAREN PERDUE, Associate Vice President                                                                                          
Statewide Health Programs                                                                                                       
University of Alaska Anchorage (UAA)                                                                                            
Anchorage AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Presented  "Recruitment  and  Retention  of                                                             
Medical Personnel."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JOAN FISHER, Executive Director                                                                                                 
Anchorage Neighborhood Health Center                                                                                            
Anchorage AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT:  Delivered remarks entitled  "Viewpoints from                                                             
an Alaska Safety Net Provider."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER JACKSON                                                                                                            
Department of Health and Social Services (DHSS)                                                                                 
Juneau AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported continued  work on health insurance                                                             
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  JOHNNY ELLIS  called the  joint meeting  of the  Senate                                                             
Labor  and Commerce  Standing Committee  and  the Senate  Health,                                                               
Education  and Social  Services  Standing Committee  to order  at                                                               
1:38:53 PM. Present  at the call to order  were Senators Stevens,                                                             
Dyson,  Elton,  Davis  and Ellis.  Chair  Ellis  invited  Senator                                                               
French to join  the committee at the table. He  said that Senator                                                               
Davis would co-chair the meeting with him.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
               ^Health insurance in the workplace                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ELLIS  announced the committees would  hear about health                                                               
insurance in the workplace. There would be six presenters.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:44:11 PM                                                                                                                    
BILL EVANS, Chair,  Anchorage Chamber of Commerce,  was the first                                                               
speaker. His remarks were entitled,  "The Impact of Rising Health                                                               
Care  Costs   on  Alaskan  Businesses."   He  said   the  Chamber                                                               
represents  1,200 businesses  with a  total of  70,000 employees.                                                               
Seventy  percent of  its  membership  base is  made  up of  small                                                               
businesses with 20 or fewer  employees. The rising cost of health                                                               
insurance  has had  the most  substantial impact  on those  small                                                               
businesses  for many  years now.  Chamber surveys  have indicated                                                               
it's the number one business issue that keeps them up at night.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He  said  it's hard  to  attract  good employees  without  health                                                               
insurance;  so   employers  need  to  offer   it.  However,  some                                                               
employers have to  close their doors instead because  of its high                                                               
cost. He said the Chamber has tried  many times to come up with a                                                               
solution, but it  has been unsuccessful so far. He  urged them to                                                               
look at  structural changes that  would allow small  employers to                                                               
offer a group rate.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:44:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR THOMAS joined the committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS  said the U.S.  Chamber was looking at  the possibility                                                               
of  expansion  of  health  savings   accounts  to  include  small                                                               
businesses and creation of unique small business health plans.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:45:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR ELLIS said  they have felt that progress has  not been made                                                               
in the past and he wanted to look at a different approach.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. EVANS had no further comments.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:47:30 PM                                                                                                                    
DUANE HEYMAN, Executive Director,  Commonwealth North Health Care                                                               
Roundtable,  said  his  remarks were  entitled  "Survey  Results:                                                               
Business Impact  of Rising  Health Care  Costs." He  related that                                                               
half the  states are looking  for some sort of  reform, including                                                               
notable  examples in  Massachusetts and  California. Most  of the                                                               
efforts  are quite  young, but  the pressures  continue from  the                                                               
business side as well as from  the labor side resulting in a very                                                               
unusual  coalition  called  "The   Better  Health  Care  Together                                                               
Campaign."  Some of  its goals  are:  quality, affordable  health                                                               
insurance coverage  for all Americans,  individual responsibility                                                               
to  maintain and  protect our  own  health, dramatically  improve                                                               
values for  every health care dollar  and businesses, governments                                                               
and individuals  all should  continue to  manage and  finance the                                                               
new American and Alaskan (in our case) health care systems.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:49:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. HEYMAN provided  employer perspective on what is  going on in                                                               
Alaska and quoted  information from a 2006 survey  done by United                                                               
Benefit Advisors, a group of  independent insurance companies. It                                                               
covered 9,600 companies with almost  14,000 plans and represented                                                               
1.5  million  employees  in  the   42  states.  It  compared  the                                                               
increases in health care costs  to overall inflation and earnings                                                               
going back to  1988. In general, it indicated  that inflation and                                                               
workers'  earnings has  bounced between  2 and  4 percent  annual                                                               
increases -  whereas health insurance  increases have   varied up                                                               
to  18  percent,  currently  running   9  to  10  percent  annual                                                               
increases. In other  words, health care costs have  been going up                                                               
three times  (130 percent)  the rate of  inflation and  wages (40                                                               
percent).                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HEYMAN  said that by far  the preponderant type of  plan that                                                               
is offered in Alaska is  the preferred provider organization with                                                               
over 80 percent of employer plans  being PPOs. The only two other                                                               
meaningful types of  plans that employers are  using are consumer                                                               
driven health  plans which are up  about 8 or 9  percent. Fee for                                                               
service plans are just a hair below that.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:52:12 PM                                                                                                                    
Companies offering coverage in Alaska  are Blue Cross/Blue Shield                                                               
that   has  about   80  percent   of   the  market;   third-party                                                               
administrators - about 9 percent;  and other insurers - just over                                                               
10 percent.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HEYMAN said  in terms  of  monthly premiums  that are  being                                                               
spent on health care by  companies here in Alaska for individuals                                                               
- for  2006 - total  payments for  health care coverage  is about                                                               
$412 compared to $325 in the  Northwest and $331 for the national                                                               
average. For  family coverage, it  jumps quite a bit.  In Alaska,                                                               
the  cost is  $938 compared  to Northwest's  $766 and  a national                                                               
average of $817.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:54:14 PM                                                                                                                    
He said that employees are  paying an increasing portion of that.                                                               
As of 2006, single employees were  paying about $90 per month and                                                               
families  were paying  close  to  $450 a  month.  Alaska has  the                                                               
highest percentage  of domestic  partners who  are not  covered -                                                               
over 91 percent  - compared to a Northwest average  of 73 percent                                                               
and a national average of 75 percent.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HEYMAN said  that  Alaska  has an  above  average number  of                                                               
wellness  programs.  The  Roundtable   has  been  promoting  this                                                               
concept,  because  it fundamentally  reduces  the  demand on  the                                                               
system by encouraging  employees to do healthier  things and take                                                               
more control of their own health.  In Alaska, about 10 percent of                                                               
employers had  wellness programs  compared to a  national average                                                               
of 4 percent and a Northwest average of 7 percent.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He said that  8.4 percent of Alaskan companies  offer a consumer-                                                               
driven health plan  compared to 4.4 percent in  the Northwest and                                                               
a national average of 5.8  percent. They are usually coupled with                                                               
high-deductible  health plans  along  with the  portion that  the                                                               
employee would contribute.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:56:19 PM                                                                                                                    
Characteristics  that  employers  feel  are  effective  and  good                                                               
elements in  consumer-driven health  plans are that  it increases                                                               
employee sensitivity to  the real cost of health  care - seventy-                                                               
six  percent  of  employers  feel  that  -  it  also  provides  a                                                               
financial incentive  for employees  to manage  their health  - 69                                                               
percent  of  employers  feel  that  way.  Sixty-five  percent  of                                                               
employers  feel that  it  shifts  more costs  to  the employee  -                                                               
obviously  a benefit  to the  employers. Fifty-nine  percent feel                                                               
that it lowers health care costs including premium costs.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:57:23 PM                                                                                                                    
However, the  element of consumer-driven  health plans  they feel                                                               
are problematic are: almost 70  percent feel the need to increase                                                               
health  education  for  employees   (that  burden  falls  on  the                                                               
employer);  63  percent  feel  the   plan  design  complexity  is                                                               
increasing for  the employee population  making it a  little more                                                               
difficult  to   understand;  51   percent  are   concerned  about                                                               
increased workload  for the human resources  department; and they                                                               
are  also  concerned  about adverse  selection,  disproportionate                                                               
penalties to sick employees and  the fact that the employees have                                                               
limited time or interest in managing their own health.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:58:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. HEYMAN said 91 percent of  employers predict that in the next                                                               
five years the  costs of health plans are going  to shift more to                                                               
employees;  53  percent  feel that  consumer-driven  health  care                                                               
plans will  dominate; 56 percent feel  that there will be  a move                                                               
to individual  coverage and health  savings accounts;  and almost                                                               
half  feel  the  cost  of  quality  data  will  be  available  to                                                               
employees in  advance; and there  are a few other  less important                                                               
things that they perceive happening.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:59:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  THOMAS asked  what he  thought would  have the  greatest                                                               
impact  now that  he's  gathered all  this  information. He  also                                                               
asked who all sat in on  his Roundtable and if the pharmaceutical                                                               
companies, medical providers and  insurance companies were there.                                                               
Third,  he  queried  if ultimately  the  employee/consumer  isn't                                                               
actually responsible for all of  the payments regardless of where                                                               
the check comes from, because it's all in lieu of wages, anyhow.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:00:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. HEYMAN replied that President  Bush would like to change that                                                               
in terms  of making  it a  tax deductible  benefit. He  said that                                                               
most reforms are centered around  putting the responsibility back                                                               
on individuals - what is called the individual mandate.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:01:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  THOMAS repeated  that if  the money  goes into  a health                                                               
plan,  the employer  may  be making  the  contribution, but  it's                                                               
basically in lieu of a wage, anyhow.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. HEYMAN said  from an employer's point of view,  a dollar is a                                                               
dollar  except from  a  recipient's  point of  view,  a tax  free                                                               
dollar is better than a taxable dollar.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He said the  Roundtable is a broad-based  coalition that includes                                                               
the  Rasmussen  Foundation,   the  University,  major  hospitals,                                                               
companies,    insurance   agencies    and   companies;    however                                                               
pharmaceutical  companies  are  not   represented  -  just  local                                                               
Alaskan entities.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ELLIS asked where the Roundtable would go next.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HEYMAN replied  that Governor  Palin and  HESS Commissioner,                                                               
Karleen  Jackson,  agreed with  its  recommendation  to form  the                                                               
Alaska Health  Strategy Planning  Council, whose members  will be                                                               
selected in April.  If all goes well, it's  possible that Council                                                               
will  continue the  type of  work  that the  Roundtable has  been                                                               
doing. He thought  the Roundtable would continue in  some form to                                                               
be able to help  the Council, but it will depend  on how it wants                                                               
to operate.  He said  the Governor's  goal is  to have  a revised                                                               
health care plan for Alaska by January 2008.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ELLIS thanked  him for  his comments  and then  he invited                                                               
Jeff Ranf to  testify on "Cost of Health Care:  Alaska versus the                                                               
Lower 48."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:04:22 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFF RANF,  Partner, Wallace Insurance Incorporated,  is also the                                                               
incoming   President  of   the  Alaska   Association  of   Health                                                               
Underwriters. He  said the Association  is the Alaska  chapter of                                                               
the National  Association of Health Underwriters,  a professional                                                               
trade  association of  about  20,000  insurance agents,  brokers,                                                               
consultants, advisors located around the country.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RANF  said their  statistics  indicate  that Alaska  has  an                                                               
uninsured  population of  about 114,000  as of  2004. Each  state                                                               
needs  to come  up with  its  own solution,  because the  federal                                                               
government will not coming up  with anything soon. There are good                                                               
reasons for  that. The health  care system is  highly complicated                                                               
and highly  financed and  deals with  about 45  million uninsured                                                               
people.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:07:50 PM                                                                                                                    
He  reviewed that  Alaska's demographics  are incredibly  diverse                                                               
compared to  other states and its  land mass is huge  compared to                                                               
anybody  else's.  People  received  health  care  benefits  in  a                                                               
variety of  ways in Alaska  and that  is covered in  "Health Care                                                               
Matrix" produced  by his organization. It  indicated the Medicare                                                               
is gradually disappearing because the  feds are offering less and                                                               
less  reimbursement and  the cost  of providing  that service  is                                                               
going up.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:10:18 PM                                                                                                                    
He  highlighted that  the Alaska  Comprehensive Health  Insurance                                                               
Association  (ACHIA)  provides  health insurance  to  individuals                                                               
without access  to group coverage  where a  preexisting condition                                                               
would  preempt  someone from  accessing  health  insurance on  an                                                               
individual  level. Under  ACHIA, for  every dollar  an individual                                                               
spends in  premium, $3 is  spent. He  said this is  an incredible                                                               
vehicle that  a lot  of people  in Alaska are  not aware  of. His                                                               
organization tries to educate the  public about what is available                                                               
and the Matrix lists all those options.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RANF said  that  managed  care in  the  state  of Alaska  is                                                               
basically nonexistent. He said primarily  the PPO network is with                                                               
the hospitals, but in terms  of physicians, Alaska doesn't have a                                                               
network.  It has  participating agreements  which means  whatever                                                               
the  usual and  customary rate  is. If  the physician  decides to                                                               
participate at that rate level, they  can sign up, but it doesn't                                                               
mean  that  a  discount  necessarily   is  associated  with  that                                                               
agreement.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:12:31 PM                                                                                                                    
He said Premera/Blue Cross conducted  a survey last year that had                                                               
four different  areas of focus.  One area was doctors'  visits in                                                               
Alaska and it  indicated that a mid-level  patient's average cost                                                               
is about  $111; the cost in  Washington is $69.50 -  a 60 percent                                                               
increase   over   Washington.   Chiropractic   manipulation   and                                                               
therapeutic activities cost  an average of $59 in  Alaska and $48                                                               
in Washington; they  range from 23 to 46 percent  more in Alaska.                                                               
Third, colonoscopies  in Alaska are  just under $1,200;  the cost                                                               
in  Washington is  just over  $500  - a  128 percent  difference.                                                               
Arthroscopic knee  surgery is  315 percent  higher in  Alaska. He                                                               
thought these  areas would be  a good  place to start  looking at                                                               
cost differentials.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:14:29 PM                                                                                                                    
Why are  costs going  up in  Alaska, he  asked. They're  going up                                                               
because of technology and because  Alaskans are getting older and                                                               
living  longer,  a  reduction in  federal  funding  resulting  in                                                               
shifting costs  to state  and on  to communities,  and a  lack of                                                               
wellness initiatives  and incentives. Alaska has  a huge shortage                                                               
of physicians;  half the doctors  here are  over 50 and  they are                                                               
not being  replaced. Alaska  needs 475  doctors to  replace them.                                                               
Also,  our  state  doesn't  have  any  managed  care  that  would                                                               
encourage any  physicians to move  here; they have  no incentives                                                               
to  bring their  prices down.  "So,  their prices  are what  they                                                               
are."                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:16:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. RANF  said one of  the most  important things to  remember is                                                               
that only employers with insurance  coverage contribute to ACHIA.                                                               
They pay a  state tax of 3.2  percent and a portion  of that goes                                                               
into ACHIA. It's  important to recognize that groups  that do not                                                               
have health insurance do not pay into ACHIA.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  said   that  consumer-driven  health  plans   would  be  more                                                               
meaningful  if  medical cost  transparency  were  in the  system;                                                               
that's why they also think  that high-risk insurance pools should                                                               
be expanded.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ELLIS thanked him for his  comments and said that they were                                                               
in  a good  mood  thinking they  had done  a  wonderful thing  by                                                               
doubling the  WWAMI program and  sending 10 more kids  to medical                                                               
school. However, needing  475 more doctors was  sobering and much                                                               
more work had to be done.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:18:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DYSON asked if most of  the folks in his association were                                                               
starting to  offer some kind  of high deductible  health coverage                                                               
to be compatible with health savings accounts.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RANF replied yes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:18:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR THOMAS  asked if Alaska's  lack of technology  is causing                                                               
prices to go up.  He said not much could be  done about the aging                                                               
population and  asked if the  reduced federal funding  would have                                                               
any impact  on what  the payments  are. He also  saw the  lack of                                                               
wellness initiatives and incentives  promoting good health as the                                                               
most important factor.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:19:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RANF answered  that it's  not  the lack  of technology,  but                                                               
rather the increase and that  while the length of hospital visits                                                               
associated with  doing open heart surgery  and knee replacements,                                                               
for instance, have been shortened,  the cost of the technology of                                                               
providing those procedures has gone  way up. Seventy five million                                                               
baby boomers are going into the  medical system as they speak and                                                               
they will all be getting hip  and knee replacements and all kinds                                                               
of things we didn't  use to have. So, that is  going to cost huge                                                               
amounts of  money. He  thought saw  this as just  the tip  of the                                                               
iceberg.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:21:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR THOMAS  asked if other  countries have more  control over                                                               
what  might  be  considered counter  productive  situations  like                                                               
performing heart surgery on a patient who is dying of cancer.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. RANF  replied yes. Some  procedures are being done  here that                                                               
are not necessary, but he didn't  know how to comment about that.                                                               
More  importantly,  though,  he   said  cancer  patients,  as  an                                                               
example,  are being  kept alive  an unbelievable  long period  of                                                               
time.  Twenty years  ago they  would  see only  a million  dollar                                                               
claim for a premature baby;  now leukemia patients are being kept                                                               
alive for  five to eight  years -  running into the  $1.5 million                                                               
level. He repeated  that he sincerely believed we  are looking at                                                               
the tip of the iceberg in terms of medical costs.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DYSON  asked of  the 91,000  uninsured people  in Alaska,                                                               
are  any covered  under an  organization like  the Indian  Health                                                               
Act.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. RANF  replied no  and corrected  that he  used the  number of                                                               
114,000  for uninsureds  and  that Senator  French  stated in  an                                                               
article that there are roughly  60,000 uninsured in Alaska due to                                                               
lack of small businesses not providing health insurance.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   ELLIS  said   that  he   would  like   to  continue   the                                                               
conversation, but the health insurance  industry folks need to be                                                               
at  the  table,  too.  He  then  invited  Mark  Foster  from  the                                                               
Institute   for  Social   and   Economic  Research   to  give   a                                                               
presentation  entitled "Rising  health  Care Costs:  Implications                                                               
for  Alaskan  Competitiveness."  He also  invited  Department  of                                                               
Health and  Social Services' (DHSS) Commissioner  Jackson to join                                                               
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:25:12 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK  FOSTER, business  consultant,  said he  is currently  under                                                               
contract  to  the  Institute for  Social  and  Economic  Research                                                               
(ISER)  doing  economic  policy   research  on  health  care.  He                                                               
recently co-authored an  ISER report with Scott  Goldsmith on the                                                               
$5 billion health  care market in Alaska.  By  way of disclosure,                                                               
he said he  also represented the State Hospital  and Nursing Home                                                               
Association, the  Tribal Health Consortium, API  and other health                                                               
care providers and his comments  today don't reflect the views of                                                               
any of his clients.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He  said  it is  useful  to  realize  that Alaska's  health  care                                                               
spending  as a  percentage of  the state  economy has  grown from                                                               
around 3 percent of the economy  in the 1980's to approaching the                                                               
12 percent range  today. He said those costs flow  through to the                                                               
employer-based insurance system we have  that has to compete with                                                               
other entities.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOSTER  said that Alaskan  employers have been  buffered over                                                               
the  last decade  against  the  full effect  of  the increase  in                                                               
health  care spending  due  to the  increasing  share of  federal                                                               
spending over  that time period.  However, over the  next decade,                                                               
the federal  share may  well moderate or  decline and  the health                                                               
care  cost escalation  will tend  to increase  the percentage  of                                                               
those who don't have insurance  coverage - all other things being                                                               
equal. This  tends to result in  higher debt and charity  care at                                                               
the hospitals. All of this tends  to shift costs to the employers                                                               
who are offering insurance.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:28:00 PM                                                                                                                    
Out over the  next 10 years, the rate of  increase of health care                                                               
cost  from the  employer perspective  is poised  to outrun  their                                                               
ability  to shift  costs to  employees, increase  productivity or                                                               
moderate  their wage  increases  in order  to accommodate  rising                                                               
health care  costs. It's going  to be more expensive  relative to                                                               
national benchmarks.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
How significant  is this to  Alaska's competitiveness,  he asked.                                                               
Looking at the cost  of health care on a per  labor hour basis in                                                               
the  construction industries  and comparing  those costs  between                                                               
two competing projects, one being  the Alaska North Slope gasline                                                               
and the  other being  Mackenzie gas  pipeline, he  said indicates                                                               
that  Alaskan  employers  are  at  risk  for  higher-than-average                                                               
health care  cost escalation on  top of already high  costs. This                                                               
is  significant  when  competing  particularly  in  international                                                               
markets.  This is  the challenge  as Alaska  goes forward  in the                                                               
coming years.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:30:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DYSON asked if he  had studied cost shifting in hospitals                                                               
and unequal charges to recipients of health care.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. FOSTER  replied that he  has looked at the  national studies,                                                               
but he hadn't  done any independent work here in  Alaska. He said                                                               
that basically there  are three significant cost  shifts going on                                                               
- that Medicare services are  under the average cost; Medicaid is                                                               
also under  the average  cost; and then  you have  the increasing                                                               
population of  the un and  under insured (also resulting  in cost                                                               
shifting). Those three  main forces push many of  the fixed costs                                                               
on to the private employers who are purchasing insurance.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
National  studies  indicate  that  cost  shifting  is  even  more                                                               
pronounced  in  Alaska,  given the  relative  size  of  Medicaid,                                                               
Medicare, VA and IHS and the health care market.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:32:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DYSON refocused his question  stating that hospitals take                                                               
their  low or  no recovery  costs and  shift them  over to  other                                                               
payers who are  able to pay their bills. They  end up paying much                                                               
more to  cover what  is basically charity.  Also, he  remarked if                                                               
you are part of  a pool, you get a huge  discount. So, people who                                                               
are doing the  right thing pay a significant  penalty by actually                                                               
paying more. He asked if he had looked at any of those issues.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FOSTER  replied yes  and  the  general trend  Senator  Dyson                                                               
described is  evident at the  national level. Based  on anecdotal                                                               
evidence in the state, he thought the same thing could be found.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:33:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH  asked  where legislators  could  look  for  good                                                               
examples of managing health care costs.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FOSTER said  he's  working on  a project  for  ISER that  is                                                               
looking at  case studies from  other states for that  answer, but                                                               
he didn't have it today.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:35:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  FRENCH   asked  about   slide  8  and   the  competitive                                                               
disadvantage of  an Alaska gas  line versus a Canadian  gas line,                                                               
because  of  the increased  health  costs  incurred by  employers                                                               
working in  Alaska versus those in  Canada. He asked if  that was                                                               
an  example  of  cost  shifting  or  are  those  savings  because                                                               
Canadian expenses  are lower than  U.S. expenses or is  it simply                                                               
because the  Canadian government  is bearing  the cost  of paying                                                               
for health care in place of private employers.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FOSTER  replied  that  two  fundamental  things  drive  that                                                               
example. One is the cost per  employee in Canada is lower than it                                                               
is in  the United States and  the Alaska cost differential  is on                                                               
top  of that.  So  from a  total cost  perspective,  that is  the                                                               
differential regardless  of who is  paying for it,  government or                                                               
private employer. Health care is cheaper  in Canada than it is in                                                               
Alaska  and  that  results  in  a  competitive  disadvantage  for                                                               
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ELLIS thanked Mr. Foster for his excellent comments.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:36:49 PM                                                                                                                    
KAREN  PERDUE,  Associate  Vice  President  of  Statewide  Health                                                               
Programs,   University  of   Alaska   Anchorage   (UAA),  had   a                                                               
presentation  entitled  "Recruitment  and  Retention  of  Medical                                                               
Personnel." She said she wanted  to talk about people and medical                                                               
professionals today. Before  that she wanted to make  a couple of                                                               
comments based on her history in state health policy.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
One  observation is  that  health care  costs  have always  risen                                                               
every year  that she has been  involved in health care,  so their                                                               
goal is  not so much  to cut the costs  as to slow  their growth.                                                               
She  is convinced  that  no one  magic bullet  can  do that,  but                                                               
rather a lot of complicated  and sophisticated actions need to be                                                               
taken in concert.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. PERDUE said  she has come to learn that  Alaska's health care                                                               
system  is  very inefficient  and  redundant.  The reason  it  is                                                               
redundant is  because of the  vast geographic  area and a  lot of                                                               
payers  have a  "stove-pipe" type  of payment  system. She  asked                                                               
where else  in the United  States one  would find a  community of                                                               
300,000 people that has five  hospitals like in the Anchorage and                                                               
Mat-Su  region.  In Seattle,  one  hospital  would serve  350,000                                                               
people.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
However, Ms. Perdue  said she has determined  that the redundancy                                                               
is  necessary to  deliver care  especially in  small communities.                                                               
So,  today she  wanted to  talk about  labor or  the people  that                                                               
comprise about  70 percent  of the health  care business  and her                                                               
perception "that  we are just  heading into the perfect  storm in                                                               
shortage of  people in  our health care  business." She  said the                                                               
shortage stretches from  doctors and social workers  to lab techs                                                               
and radiology technicians.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:39:33 PM                                                                                                                    
She said the  UAA and HESS Commissioner Jackson  did some numbers                                                               
on the cost of recruiting  and replacing health care workers with                                                               
temporaries  and "just  the tip  of the  iceberg numbers  are $24                                                               
million last  year we  spent -  just in  the recruitment  and the                                                               
replacement of  workers - that's  not really adding any  value to                                                               
the  health  care  system."  Because  of  her  observations  from                                                               
serving on  a couple  of hospital boards,  she is  convinced that                                                               
the amount is  really much more. The  Fairbanks Memorial Hospital                                                               
is   seriously  short   on  four   different  kinds   of  medical                                                               
professionals; it has no urologist,  no cardiologist and a severe                                                               
shortage  of  internists   and  ophthalmologists.  The  hospital,                                                               
alone,  has spent  about $700,000  to $800,000  to recruit  these                                                               
medical professionals along with the  costs that are not added in                                                               
for  the private  clinics and  others  who are  helping with  the                                                               
recruitment. "So,  the shortage  of professionals  is a  big deal                                                               
and I think it's an underlying cost driver."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. PERDUE  said she had  been at  the University for  five years                                                               
and  sees  clearly  that  those  costs can  be  chipped  away  by                                                               
"growing our  own." She said UAA  has a 66 percent  growth in the                                                               
number of  students in these  professions in the last  five years                                                               
and every program  it opens is immediately  filled with qualified                                                               
students. There  are big  gaps, however, and  Alaska is  the only                                                               
state  in  the union  that  doesn't  have a  four-year  nutrition                                                               
degree, for instance.  So with the growth in  life style behavior                                                               
issues  like  obesity  and  diabetes,   Alaska  can't  produce  a                                                               
registered dietician.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
She said this is not the only  thing driving cost, but she sees a                                                               
lot  of waste  in what  people are  paying for  health care.  She                                                               
agreed that the demand for it will  grow and it's too bad that we                                                               
can't fill these  jobs with local people, because  they are great                                                               
jobs and stated: "I think we need a strategy to fix it."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ELLIS  thanked her very  much and mentioned that  when they                                                               
were  making  the  double  WWAMI  buttons  in  his  office,  they                                                               
considered  putting  the little  phrase  "grow  our own"  on  the                                                               
bottom.  He thought  that  phrase should  carry  them through  in                                                               
these discussions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:42:28 PM                                                                                                                    
JOAN  FISHER, Executive  Director, Anchorage  Neighborhood Health                                                               
Center  (ANHC), delivered  remarks entitled  "Viewpoints from  an                                                               
Alaska  Safety  Net  Provider."  She  said  she  would  begin  by                                                               
explaining a  little bit  about the health  center and  then give                                                               
some perspective on  being a mid-sized business  in Anchorage and                                                               
some of the challenges that brings.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER explained that ANHC is  a community health center or a                                                               
federally  qualified  health  center  (F28C).  It  receives  some                                                               
funding  from  the  Bureau  of Primary  Health  Care  to  provide                                                               
comprehensive primary care  to medically underserved populations.                                                               
The services provided  are primary medical care,  dental care, an                                                               
in-house pharmacy  and case management  services. They  also have                                                               
the largest  HIV/AIDS practice  in the  state and  provide health                                                               
care for  the homeless  populations at the  clinics and  in seven                                                               
shelters in Anchorage. ANHC is  a free-standing non-profit and it                                                               
has a volunteer board of directors  of which over 50 percent must                                                               
be consumers of its services.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER said  in 2006  it provided  50,000 visits  for 13,700                                                               
individuals. It has a total  budget of $11.5 million and receives                                                               
$2.8  million  from the  Bureau  of  Primary Health  Care,  which                                                               
allows them  to provide services  on a discounted fee  basis. She                                                               
said that over  50 percent of the patients served  last year were                                                               
uninsured.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She reviewed  that ANHC  started out  in 1971  in Fairview  and a                                                               
satellite health  center was added  in Mountain View in  1997. It                                                               
has since  become one of  the largest primary care  providers for                                                               
residents  in Anchorage  and the  surrounding areas.  It partners                                                               
with  other  health  and  social   service  agencies  to  provide                                                               
services  to  some  of  the   most  impoverished  people  in  the                                                               
community.  Approximately 8,000  of  its patients  are below  100                                                               
percent of  poverty level and close  to 90 percent are  below 200                                                               
percent of poverty.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
She said in  the last few years, Medicare rules  have changed for                                                               
new  immigrants  who now  can't  access  Medicaid benefits  until                                                               
residing in  the state for five  years (60 months). So,  a lot of                                                               
the folks she sees are  new immigrants who can't access Medicaid.                                                               
She said other things come  along with poverty like poor housing,                                                               
poor nutrition,  mental health and  substance abuse  issues. When                                                               
accessing health  care, patients  not only suffer  from financial                                                               
barriers, but also cultural and language barriers.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ANHC has more  demand than it can manage and  it has been turning                                                               
away 25  - 40 people  a day. It is  looking at building  a larger                                                               
health  center,  but  with  the  rising  uninsured  and  Medicare                                                               
population,  she  is  pessimistic  that  they  will  be  able  to                                                               
accommodate the demand.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FISHER said  Anchorage has  a  population of  270,000 and  a                                                               
primary care physician shortage that  is critical. When you can't                                                               
get in to  see a doctor you  tend to go to the  emergency room or                                                               
you don't  go anywhere; and when  you neglect your care,  a major                                                               
event happens and you wind up  in the hospital costing the system                                                               
thousands of dollars.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:46:47 PM                                                                                                                    
On the business  side she said, ANHC is a  mid-sized business. It                                                               
employs  highly trained  professional staff.  Seventy percent  of                                                               
its  costs are  labor. To  attract  and retain  staff, ANHC  must                                                               
offer  competitive  salaries  and benefits.  Its  competitors  in                                                               
Anchorage are Providence  Health System, Southcentral Foundation,                                                               
and  the Family  Medical Clinic.  Its fringe  benefit rate  is 39                                                               
cents  on  every  dollar  and  the  annual  cost  of  its  health                                                               
insurance is $708,000 for 137 lives.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Every year ANHC struggles with  how much to have staff contribute                                                               
to the  cost of health care,  but when you start  asking staff to                                                               
contribute to  health care, you have  to give them the  option to                                                               
opt out  of insurance and the  board feels it is  immoral to have                                                               
uninsured staff.  So, basically, they  pay almost 100  percent of                                                               
employees'  health  care benefits.  ANHC  charges  staff $13  per                                                               
paycheck or about $260 a year.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ANHC  has experienced  annual increases  in the  20 -  25 percent                                                               
range. In the  past three years, the  workers' compensation rates                                                               
have increased by $100,000. She said:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     As many business owners are  familiar with the chipping                                                                    
     away of benefits  to save costs - first  you go through                                                                    
     the process of  raising the deductible and  it was hard                                                                    
     going from  the $250 to $500  deductible - or a  lot of                                                                    
     them go up  to $1,000 deductible - or they  even get to                                                                    
     the  point where  they're  just providing  catastrophic                                                                    
     medical  coverage.  A  lot of  times  businesses  begin                                                                    
     eliminating benefits such as  vision or dental coverage                                                                    
     to  get  the  cost   down,  and  then  eventually  they                                                                    
     eliminate coverage altogether,  because they just can't                                                                    
     keep  up.  And  workers'   comp  and  unemployment  are                                                                    
     mandatory  payments that  businesses have  to make.  So                                                                    
     health care benefits become kind of a secondary cost.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     In short I believe the  health care system is broken. I                                                                    
     think  reforming the  system is  necessary in  order to                                                                    
     provide  equal access  to care  for all  people in  our                                                                    
     state.  I don't  believe it's  going to  happen on  the                                                                    
     national  level  for many  years,  and  so I  encourage                                                                    
     legislators to open the debate on a state level.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER  said a  health care reform  committee worked  on this                                                               
issue in the mid-90s and came  up with a single-payer system, but                                                               
when the  reform hit  the bottom  in the  Clinton administration,                                                               
they quit working  on it for a long time.  She thought that study                                                               
should  now  be  dusted  off and  creative  solutions  should  be                                                               
sought.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ELLIS thanked her for being  here and for the work that she                                                               
does. He  noted that  Mr. Dennis  DeWitt, National  Federation of                                                               
Independent Businesses, was present and  his views would be heard                                                               
in the future.  He invited suggestions from all  sectors. He then                                                               
asked the commissioner for closing statements.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER JACKSON,  Department of  Health and  Social Services                                                               
(DHSS), commented that everyone is  looking forward to the naming                                                               
of the  Health Care  Strategies Council  members, but  said "it's                                                               
going  to take  all of  us working  together." Those  individuals                                                               
would  serve as  a  catalyst, but  there will  be  lots of  other                                                               
groups working together  in the background having  these kinds of                                                               
conversations. She encouraged them to keep working together.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:52:19 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR DAVIS thanked them for the opportunity to be here and                                                                  
hearing this report. She said there is a lot of work to be done.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
CHAIR ELLIS adjourned the meeting at 2:52:40 PM.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                

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